The Tarot of Eli-Minor Arcana: Thoth Tarot- 8 of Cups-Indolence & Tarot of Druids- 8 of Chalices

Western Hermetic Qabalah, alchemical, astrological, numerical, and Tantric Tarot Card Comparisons.

· Tarot of Druids

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Thoth- 8 of cups-indolence

Crowley also labeled the 8 of Cups Card- The Lord of Abandoned Success.

Attributed to this card is Saturn in Pisces. The Angels of the Decan: Vabaliah and Yeshivah.

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The Qabalistic tree of Life

Here, Hod . the 8th Sephiroth-Splendor-is in Briah, the Mental World.

To reiterate: Hod is the concrete mind; However, with Saturn in Pisces the 8 of Cups, being a Water sign doesn't balance Saturn's energy well. Pisces being a water sign, and the metal of Saturn is Lead, the 2 don't work well together. With Saturn in a water sign, a certain amount of introspection, manifests as disinterest with material conditions . The effect, is discontent or a decline in interest in anything. Thus, one's tendency is to abandon success, even if success is only a step away.

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The interpretation of the 8 of Cups, is based on the fact that Pisces, is calm and stagnant water that is completely deadened by the heavy influences of Saturn. We know Water, is the element of emotional self-consciousness, so what is going on within one is a deadening of interest, a complete lack of wonder. Here, one feels an awful weight on their shoulders and just can't deal with the emotional burden of getting on with their day.

The lotuses of enlightenment droop, for lack of sun )inspiration)or rain (refreshed emotions) . The Sea of self-conscious has become little stagnant pools, in poisoned soil. All the cups are old and broken, symbolizing "an old and worn out" way of thinking. The Sun of Spirit, is a pallid yellowish light barely shining through the leaden clouds of indigo. Therefore, the 8 of cups implies that the mind and emotions on autopilot; thought process is not conducive to expanding and liberating the Life of the person. The blood in the body is moving like molasses. This person needs stimulation, but first they must get out of slogging through a swamp of stored and stagnant emotion.

Not my favorite card, but this dullness of mind, is often necessary to warn us that it is time to evaluate our feelings

In numerology and gematria (Qabalistic Numerology), 8 is a number of extreme materiality. Hence, the body is the one feeling this burden of emotion and it can manifest in material symptoms of physical illness unless one drains the swamp. Here one's goal is to find purpose and meaning in emotional seclusion. It is time to relinquish control by "letting go" of seriousness. No-Thing matters. Let the emotions flow out of the mental damming of self.

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the tarot of druids- 8 of chalices

The Tarot of Druids-8 of Chalices, depicts an ancient druid priest examining an oak tree whose roots are above ground encasing a fallen chalice of olive wood. He acts as if he is communicating to the tree, for on his face is an expression of concentration and concern , as if he needs a prophecy that is not yet coming. It seems this tree is in need of a cleansing, for its sap has gone all sluggish and it hasn't enough power to sink its roots into the ground around it. In other words, the oak is indolent.

The oak tree symbolized the god of rain, thunder and of the heavens, not only to the Druids but also the Greeks who stated that Zeus, received prophecy through the whisper of the wind through the oak leaves. It has gone on to become a tree of strength and freedom. For instance, in Guernica, the main square has a large oak tree standing as a symbol of the freedom of the Basque people.


When the 8 of Cups or 8 of Chalices is thrown during a reading the querent may be experiencing:

  • Exhaustion, being overly tired, drain and dull emotionally.
  • There is an unconscious change taking place, on a deep inner level of feeling.
  • There is a warning here to Pay attention to yourself...stop and examine your perspectives, this is the end of something and the beginning of something new!
  • The emotional state of stagnation and stillness. This could go on for 8 weeks or 8 months, depending on the querent's actions or lack of.
  • There is a need to focus and consolidate your emotions in an inspired way.
  • Intense emotional life.

When ill defined by the surrounding cards:

  • Shyness.
  • Depression.
  • Suicide.
  • Self-Pity.

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