The Tarot of Eli, LLC-Minor Arcana: The Astromatrix Tarot-8 of Cups & The Thoth Tarot-Eight of Cups- Indolence.

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Above all things know thyself!

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Thoth-8 of Cups-Indolence

Lord of abandoned success.

#8. I look forward with confidence to the perfect realization of the Eternal Splendor of the Limitless Light.

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The Astromatrix Tarot- 8 of Cups

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Attributed to the Thoth-8 of Cups Tarot card is Saturn in Pisces. The Angels of the Decan: 

Vabaliah and Yeshivah. Here, Hod the 8th Sephiroth-Splendor is active in Briah, the Creative World. The interpretation of the Thoth 8 of Cups, since Pisces is calm and placid water it is completely deadened by the heavy influences of Saturn whose metal is lead. We know Water, is the Element of emotion, unconsciousness, and intuitional consciousness, so what is going on within one is a deadening of interest is a complete lack of wonder.

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On the Thoth 8 of Cups the lotuses of enlightenment droop for lack of sun or rain (lack of new input). The Sea of Mind has become little stagnant pools in poisoned soil. All the cups are old and broken, symbolizing "an old and worn out" way of thinking. The Sun of the Soul is a pallid yellowish light barely shining through the leaden clouds of indigo. Therefore, the 8 of cups implies that the mind and emotions are on autopilot as the thought process is not conducive to expanding and liberating the Life of the person. The blood in the body is moving like molasses. This person needs stimulation!

Crowley's description of this card says it best:

"This card represents a party for which all preparations have been made; but the host has forgotten to invite the guests; or the caterers have not delivered the good cheer. There is this difference, though, that it is in some way or other the host's own fault." [Book of thoth-pg.,184]


Not my favorite card, but this dullness of mind is often necessary to warn us that it is time to evaluate our feelings and get off our indolent butt and do something that makes the blood move again.

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Indolence can be due to emotional overload (a coping device), where everything has become too serious to even contemplate. "Serious" is just another way to say "fearful" and behooves us to use humor to declassify the "serious" and reclassify it as in the "necessary or unnecessary stuff" of life. Therefore, the 8 of Cups suggests that we look at the first thing needing solution and do it. Say to yourself, "I AM the Solution! "

One thing at a time, preferably the time the issue is noticed and not "tomorrow", but now! This keeps things from piling up and making the brain a dromedary rather than an AI computer with active solutions that come in from the active Spiritual Will of I AM. Where the body is reactive, the Spirit is Action; action changes the environment, while reaction doesn't as it is just an automatic response that comes from the devious "false ego" buried deeply in the subconscious past.

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The Astromatrix Tarot- 8 of Cups.

The Astromatrix Tarot- 8 of Cups displays 8 golden cups lined up on a pathway to an uncertain destination, implied by the night sky. This card is similar to the Rider-Waite-Smith 8 of cups and successfully illustrates that this card is about abandoned work and disillusionment.

When this card shows up it is about inner changes. Here the querent begins to understand that finding a spiritual path can lead one to unfamiliar places. Having embarked on an individual path of enlightenment, one must be humble and honest, especially to themselves. On such a path, one also learns that disappointment will often change you for the better as Spirit leads you towards what you need, and not necessarily towards what you want. Tell your brain to let go and trust the inner self as it always walks with you.

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Saturn in Pisces combines the restrictive, disciplined energy of Saturn with the sensitive, compassionate qualities of Pisces. Here are some characteristics pertinent to Saturn in the house of Pisces:

  1. Responsibility in Spiritual Matters: Saturn in Pisces often signifies a deep sense of responsibility towards spiritual or metaphysical pursuits. Individuals with this placement may feel a strong obligation to explore their inner world, confront their subconscious fears, and seek spiritual enlightenment.

  2. Boundaries in Emotional Expression: Pisces is a highly emotional and empathetic sign, but Saturn's influence can add a layer of restraint. People with this placement may struggle to express their emotions openly or may set firm boundaries to protect themselves from emotional overwhelm.

  3. Practical Idealism: Pisces is known for its idealistic nature, and when combined with Saturn, this idealism can become more grounded and practical. Individuals with this placement may have big dreams and aspirations, but they are also willing to put in the hard work and discipline necessary to manifest their ideals in the real world.

  4. Sensitivity to Limitations: Saturn in Pisces individuals may be keenly aware of the limitations and boundaries that exist within the spiritual and emotional realms. They may encounter challenges or setbacks in their spiritual journey, but these experiences can ultimately lead to greater wisdom and understanding.

  5. Structured Creativity: Pisces is associated with creativity and imagination, and Saturn's influence adds structure and discipline to these areas. Individuals with this placement may excel in creative pursuits that require patience, perseverance, and attention to detail.

  6. Issues with Boundaries: Pisces is known for its porous boundaries and tendency to merge with others, and Saturn's influence can exacerbate these issues. Individuals with this placement may struggle to maintain healthy boundaries in relationships or may need to learn how to assert themselves more effectively.

  7. Karmic Lessons: Saturn in Pisces often signifies karmic lessons related to spirituality, compassion, and empathy. Individuals with this placement may encounter challenges or hardships that test their faith and resilience, but these experiences can ultimately lead to profound spiritual growth and enlightenment.

Overall, Saturn in Pisces combines the desire for spiritual fulfillment with the need for discipline and structure, leading to a deep sense of responsibility and a commitment to personal growth and transformation.

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When the 8 of Cups is thrown during a reading the querent may be experiencing:

  • Exhaustion, being overly tired, drain and dull emotionally.
  • There is an unconscious change taking place, on a deep inner level of feeling.
  • There is a warning here to Pay attention to yourself...stop and examine your perspectives, this is the end of something and the beginning of something new!
  • The emotional state of stagnation and stillness. 
  • This could go on for 8 weeks or 8 months, depending on the querent's actions.
  • There is a need to focus and consolidate your emotions in an inspired way.
  • Letting go.

If ill defined by the surrounding cards in the layout, it implies:

  • Depression.
  • Self-pity.
  • Suicide.
  • Hidden joy. 
  • Turned away from the Spiritual path.

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