The Tarot of Eli, L.L.C.-Minor Arcana: Thoth- 8 of Cups-Indolence & Haindl Tarot- Eight of Cups-Failure

Western hermetic Qabalah, numerical, Tantric, Astrological and Alchemical Tarot Card Comparisons.

· Haindl Tarot

Above all things know thyself!

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Thoth- 8 of Cups-Indolence

Lord of abandoned success.


#8. I look forward with confidence to the perfect realization of the Eternal Splendor of the Limitless Light.

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Attributed to the Thoth-8 of Cups Tarot card is Saturn in Pisces. The Angels of the Decan: 

Vabaliah and Yeshivah. Here, Hod is active in Briah, the Creative World. The interpretation of the 8 of Cups, is based on the fact that Pisces, is calm and placid water that is completely deadened by the heavy influences of Saturn. We know Water, is the Element of emotion and intuitional consciousness, so what is going on within one is a deadening of interest, a complete lack of wonder.

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To reiterate, Hod is the concrete mind; However, with Saturn in Pisces the 8 of Cups, being a Water sign doesn't balance Saturn's energy well. Here the consciousness takes on a leaden quality and emotion is sluggish at best. Therefore, with Saturn in a water sign, a certain amount of introspection, manifests as disinterest with material conditions. The effect, is discontent or a decline in interest in anything. Thus, one's tendency is to abandon success.

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The lotuses of enlightenment droop, for lack of sun or rain. The Sea of mind has become little stagnant pools, in poisoned soil. All the cups are old and broken, symbolizing "an old and worn out" way of thinking. The Sun of Spirit, is a pallid yellowish light barely shining through the leaden clouds of indigo. Therefore, the 8 of cups implies that the mind and emotions are  on autopilot; thought process is not conducive to expanding and liberating the Life of the person. The blood in the body is moving like molasses. This person needs stimulation!

Crowley's description of this card says it best:

"This card represents a party for which all preparations have been made; but the host has forgotten to invite the quests; or the caterers have not delivered the good cheer. There is this difference, though, that it is in some way or other the host's own fault." [Book of thoth-pg.,184]

Not my favorite card, but this dullness of mind, is often necessary to warn us that it is time to evaluate our feelings and get off of our lead filled butt and do something that makes the blood move again.

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Haindl-Eight of Cups-Failure

When comparing the Haindl Tarot Eight of Cups to the Thoth Tarot, we find a different approach to the   leadned aspect of Saturn in Pisces.  Haindl even supplies us with a New Title of  "Diminution", implying a lessening rather than an absolute end.  He found Failure to be to extreme for this card. There is still hope  and/or optimism left here. 

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The I Ching hexagram, 41, Sun, meaning "Decrease" (Wilhelm) or "Decline" (Wing), in the upper right hand corner,  implies  a loss. Loss usually brings sorrow; However, if one waits patiently for another turn of the wheel, than good fortune shall follow. The reverse I-Ching  hexagram, 42, I, meaning "Increase" indicates this turn of good fortune is coming. 

The Cups on the Haindl card are falling in chaotic confusion, indicating chaos. On the very right hand bottom of the card are words that are from Chief Seattle's speach on the injustice done to man and animals and the Earth herself.  The lines of light and flowing water indicate a hidden joy that cannot be defeated nor eradicated. Therefore, this card is acknowledging that things look bad, but they will get better. 

When the 8 /Eight of Cups is thrown during a reading the querent may be experiencing:

  • Exhaustion, being overly tired, drain and dull emotionally.
  • There is an unconscious change taking place, on a deep inner level of feeling.
  • There is a warning here to Pay attention to yourself...stop and examine your perspectives, this is the end of something and the beginning of something new!
  • The emotional state of stagnation and stillness. 
  • This could go on for 8 weeks or 8 months, depending on the querent's actions.
  • There is a need to focus and consolidate your emotions in an inspired way.
  • Letting go.

If ill defined by the surrounding cards in the layout (Thoth) or reversed (Haindl), it implies:

  • Depression.
  • Self-pity.
  • Suicide.
  • Hidden joy. 

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